tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post8340661024824996236..comments2024-02-27T11:15:46.473-06:00Comments on Quidnon: Surviving Winter AboardDmitry Orlovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-28814049080330115912017-06-25T06:49:08.621-06:002017-06-25T06:49:08.621-06:00It is important to provide a drainage path leading...It is important to provide a drainage path leading to the bilge for condensation that will inevitably form between the hull and the insulation. Probably the easiest way to do it is by inserting a layer of corrugated plastic with vertical corrugations. Probably the best combination, from the outside in, is the corrugated plastic against the inside of the hull with limbers below it leading down to the bilge, then a layer of radiant barrier. These can be installed using small tabs of double-stick tape. Finally, a layer of closed-cell foam (the pink stuff works best) is press-fit into place. It's available in 2 thicknesses (.75" and 1.5", in 2x8' sheets, if I recall) and fit together tongue-in-groove.Dmitry Orlovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-49459837608503122752017-06-24T23:09:43.721-06:002017-06-24T23:09:43.721-06:00Hello Dmitry,
I understand that the QUIDNON will b...Hello Dmitry,<br />I understand that the QUIDNON will be a work in progress until the design has been finalized, so there are naturally some changes that have been and will be made. But reading previous posts that seem to disagree with recent posts confuses me a bit. Or maybe I have just misunderstood you and could use some clarification. <br />For example, in the post "Creature Comforts," you wrote "On QUIDNON, I plan to address these problems as follows. *The inside of the hull will not be insulated at all.* Instead, there will be an air gap between the hull and the walls of the cabin, which will be made of an additional layer of plywood mounted over fir ribs. It is the outside of the inner walls that will be insulated with ¾-inch pink foam insulation and radiant barrier. The function of the air gap will be to thermally isolate the cabin from the hull, and to allow condensation to form freely on the hull, drain to the bilge, and be pumped overboard by the bilge pump."<br />However, above you wrote "The easiest procedure for installing the radiant barrier, which is essentially bubble wrap that incorporates aluminum foil layers, is *directly onto the hull* surfaces using double-stick mounting tape. The slabs of foam insulation can then be cut exactly to size and press-fit into place with a bead of expanding foam all around, for a tight seal. The foam can then be covered with thin (1/8-inch) plywood sheets."<br />Do you still intend to leave an air gap between the hull and the cabin or will the radiant barrier be placed directly onto the hull with foam insulation over it?<br />Please advise.<br />Thanks,<br />PetePete Falcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05705910833509456013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-59776816630411743432017-02-26T00:39:40.824-06:002017-02-26T00:39:40.824-06:00We have a wee wood stove on our 35' sloop, and...We have a wee wood stove on our 35' sloop, and insulated with closed-cell foam. We could do with some fans. But it's amazing how little wood is needed to keep us toasty warm - just a little Japanese pruning saw to cut standing dead wood is all we use when we are away from our woodpile, but you could easily use scraps from a lumberyard if you're in an urban type place. Sandhillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09455146534064207491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-24661511655146560082017-02-06T15:47:02.608-06:002017-02-06T15:47:02.608-06:00I once saw a plan for a homemade charcoal heater, ...I once saw a plan for a homemade charcoal heater, that used a stack of commercial briquettes and auto-fed by gravity. Supposedly ran fairly constant for several hours on a stack of 8 briquettes. I never tried it, myself. It was light enough to hang by it's own chimney pipe. I believe that I saw it bundled with my Triloboats plans, if I recall correctly.MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-72350387092467441652017-02-06T15:42:47.551-06:002017-02-06T15:42:47.551-06:00Well, that might be true. But I was looking for s...Well, that might be true. But I was looking for something that would work *without* electricity.MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-6404453449135682042017-02-03T09:14:17.994-06:002017-02-03T09:14:17.994-06:00What works best is a 3-way fridge that can run on ...What works best is a 3-way fridge that can run on propane, 12V DC or 110/220V AC. I've used one for a decade now. An additional freezer chest makes sense for those who mostly live at the dock.Dmitry Orlovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-65342149660122405352017-02-03T09:08:51.913-06:002017-02-03T09:08:51.913-06:00Diesel is stinky and it can make lots of soot and ...Diesel is stinky and it can make lots of soot and CO from incomplete combustion. There won't be any diesel on QUIDNON, so no diesel heater. Propane works well, in my experience. What works even better, though, is charcoal. But some marinas don't allow solid fuel. In terms of safety and convenience, propane is best. Electric heat is even more convenient, but expensive.Dmitry Orlovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-60874091977639638802017-02-03T09:05:42.370-06:002017-02-03T09:05:42.370-06:00What works best when overwintering aboard is using...What works best when overwintering aboard is using commercial washers and driers in the marina laundry room. What works best when sailing (during sailing season) is sailing naked.Dmitry Orlovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-25582401647017577402017-01-27T20:35:51.717-06:002017-01-27T20:35:51.717-06:00If you had one of these on your Quidnon...
https:/...If you had one of these on your Quidnon...<br />https://www.laundry-alternative.com/our-products/the-wonderwash/<br />...you could wash a small load of clothes, but then where would you dry them? On a calm, sunny day, just hang them out under the deck arches. But what if it's rough or raining? Since we are building heated, vented space under the sole, I wonder if a small closet with a vent on the floor could be used as a drying closet space. Or maybe just hang them from hooks on the ceiling.<br /><br />I note that since this product is basically just a small tumbling mixing bucket, it could be used for other things.MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-15217040035122782162017-01-25T15:58:29.035-06:002017-01-25T15:58:29.035-06:00I mean, is there some other benefit for using dies...I mean, is there some other benefit for using diesel as a primary heating fuel? Quidnon is not designed to use diesel at all, so I was wondering if you had noticed any other virtues.MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-45871193453435257932017-01-25T05:37:10.676-06:002017-01-25T05:37:10.676-06:00Because most boats are diesel powered. Thus, a die...Because most boats are diesel powered. Thus, a diesel heater uses fuel from an already installed tank. <br />And its universally available; world wide.<br />Propane is problematic for a number of reasons; primary of which; it settles in low spaces when leaked.<br />V. Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499214558639679078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-26163643120894834102017-01-20T18:47:03.844-06:002017-01-20T18:47:03.844-06:00Why do you favor diesel over other fuels?Why do you favor diesel over other fuels?MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-76320572119833424622017-01-20T06:45:42.963-06:002017-01-20T06:45:42.963-06:00Having spent a decade aboard my sloop, the good sh...Having spent a decade aboard my sloop, the good ship Discovery, in Astoria, Oregon; I discovered diesel heaters and most importantly, 12v fans.<br />Kept a 30' sloop mold free and dry.<br />Strategically placed fans keep the air moving from forepeak to stern.<br />Fans, most important, when battened down for inclement weather; Astoria is notorious for forms of nasty weather.<br />Cheers V. Arnoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499214558639679078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-60643641532011033732017-01-15T18:37:01.813-06:002017-01-15T18:37:01.813-06:00If we used a couple of those custom wallpaper sets...If we used a couple of those custom wallpaper sets, sometimes called a Photowall, using images of important charts of our intended areas, and perhaps a lanyard attached to each, these insulation panels could double as emergency flotation.MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-16750953602553182502017-01-13T21:13:01.313-06:002017-01-13T21:13:01.313-06:00I had a thought about making one of the lockers in...I had a thought about making one of the lockers into a "cool box" by insulating the sides and top, but not the bottom as it is attached to the sole. It would rarely, if ever, be as cool as a true fridge; nor could it be regulated. However, a great many things that Americans keep in the fridge do fine as long as they don't spend much time above 60 degrees. Such items include most types of condiments, including mustard & ketchup; pretty much every kind of 'hard' cheese I can think of; most anything in a jar that says "refrigerate AFTER opening"; butter, particularly the salted butter; even fresh eggs for a time. Again, if you spend a lot of time in the warm waters South of 30 degrees, this isn't going to be a very useful feature. But for everyone else, this would be useful most of the time; including the dead of summer on Lake Michigan.MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-10822956697666298992017-01-13T16:29:35.505-06:002017-01-13T16:29:35.505-06:00The cabin soles will not be insulated, they will b...The cabin soles will not be insulated, they will be heated by pumping warm air into the bilge. It may make sense to insulate the bilge, though.Dmitry Orlovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-68743364359358132642017-01-13T15:34:21.962-06:002017-01-13T15:34:21.962-06:00Are you insulating the floor above the bilge or do...Are you insulating the floor above the bilge or do you plan on investing in slippers?Emerson Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02751929762761751999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-47716892647364777592017-01-05T22:06:56.544-06:002017-01-05T22:06:56.544-06:00Agreed, maybe easier to move the boat South.
WW
...Agreed, maybe easier to move the boat South.<br /><br />WW <br />s/v Django<br />AntiguaWawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05384226689559778050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-1018163043218350352017-01-05T14:00:34.589-06:002017-01-05T14:00:34.589-06:00The FanTech one we have is just two fans, heat exc...The FanTech one we have is just two fans, heat exchanger, and a small computer board to run it. <br /><br />Multi-use:<br />1) remove humidity<br />2) ventilate head<br />3) ventilate galley<br />4) make wind chime sound during calm weather<br />jdurandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409670609151073404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-874420445857180922017-01-04T22:15:02.963-06:002017-01-04T22:15:02.963-06:00Probably so, while connected to grid power. But h...Probably so, while connected to grid power. But heat recovery ventilators often include a small heat pump, and are a bit more complicated than two fans pushing air past an air-to-air exchanger. I'm sure you could try it, and the vents in the deck arches might come close to that anyway; but adding such a thing to the core design would violate the 'more than one function' rule. What other purpose would such a machine serve on a boat?MoonShadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07026735575577934205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-70795127887259708142017-01-04T14:05:33.228-06:002017-01-04T14:05:33.228-06:00He's been talking about being at dock in the w...He's been talking about being at dock in the winter and using electric heat. Surely there's enough left over for two small fans.jdurandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11409670609151073404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-91745641254618760162017-01-04T13:57:30.138-06:002017-01-04T13:57:30.138-06:00Which post details the external ballast box mentio...Which post details the external ballast box mentioned above?Dennis Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04525900170454935174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-66925635748966868352017-01-03T23:37:49.943-06:002017-01-03T23:37:49.943-06:00Oh, btw, the pex was run as a "radiant floor&...Oh, btw, the pex was run as a "radiant floor" heating system. The bilge was fully insulated and dry.Jay Farquharsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335226520940843630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-18428402936116646162017-01-03T20:47:22.958-06:002017-01-03T20:47:22.958-06:00With many fiberglass boats being constructed of a ...With many fiberglass boats being constructed of a molded hull, molded deck, molded liner and molded headliner, glued or mechanically bolted together, using expanding foams to fill the gaps in-between can cause problems.<br /><br />If the foam over expands, you get buckling and breakage.Jay Farquharsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03335226520940843630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7334230772332433270.post-41472735339188837372017-01-03T16:09:18.591-06:002017-01-03T16:09:18.591-06:00Yes, a tight fit for the foam is necessary to avoi...Yes, a tight fit for the foam is necessary to avoid condensation issues. My technique is to cut it so that it is press-fit into place with quite a bit of force. Going over the inner surface with tea tree oil helps, as does laying a bead of caulk around the perimeter.Dmitry Orlovhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00381674543530177679noreply@blogger.com